It was a League of Women Voters candidate forum featuring three sets of candidates. Illinois 8th District Congressional candidates Melissa Bean (D, incumbent), Joe Walsh (R), and Bill Scheurer (G) were up first.
They were followed by 31st State Senate District candidates Michael Bond (D, incumbent) and Suzie Schmidt (R), and then by 62nd State Representative District candidates Sandy Cole (R, incumbent) and Rich Voltair (D). But I was one of the few who stayed for those, and almost no one remembers or cares what was said by those candidates.
Joe Walsh's supporters packed the hall. Frankly, we expected that liberals would be bussed in to the area to support Bean, as they were bussed in to protest Right Nation 2010 a few weeks ago, so we were out in force and ready for anything.
But there was no conspiracy or plan to disrupt the proceedings that I heard of, whether by reciting the pledge of allegiance or any other way, and as a local Tea Party leader with connections to Joe and his campaign staff, I think I would have known.
As you can see in the video above, the moderator, Mrs. Kathy Tate-Bradish, was trying to introduce the rules of the event when she recognized someone on a point of order, which led the to the pledge being recited. Then everyone sat back down.
Mrs. Tate-Bradish seemed very offended, because as a retired schoolteacher, she is accustomed to people sitting down and shutting up when she is speaking, and if they don't then it is solely a question of their disrespect to her, and she expressed her hope that this wouldn't be repeated.
Frankly, I deplore the criticisms of Mrs. Tate-Bradish's appearance that I've heard that some bloggers have made, and, as a fellow Air Force veteran, I have no doubt of her patriotism. I think it's obvious that her complaint is that she expected to be in control of the room, and for a moment, she wasn't.
What I find disappointing is the line taken by Mrs. Tate-Bradish and her superiors at the League:
Executive Director Jan Czarnik said what happened at Wednesday's debate and subsequent criticism directed at moderator Kathy Tate-Bradish was an attempt by supporters of Republican candidate Joe Walsh of McHenry and tea party members to bully the organization.Meanwhile, the Northwest Herald editorialized, noting that Green Party candidate Bill Scheurer didn't stand or recite the pledge:
Czarnik said someone is not a better American just by reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.
“It's a phony patriotism issue is what it is,” she said. “They must think it helps their campaign.”
Is Scheurer somehow unpatriotic?What we have on display here, for all to see, is an acute case of liberal contempt.
Hardly.
He, like Tate-Bradish, just recognizes that incivility masked as patriotism is, in fact, not patriotic at all.
Never was. Never will be.
Perhaps Northwest Herald editor Dan McCaleb never heard of a small affair that happened in 1773 that's come down to us as the "Boston Tea Party." Complaining of "incivility" was the least of the British reaction. But the colonists had concluded that civility was getting them nowhere, and so they chose a different tack.
Likewise the contemporary Tea Party has figured out that civility, when used as an instrument to silence the people, is not civility at all. Never was. Never will be. And that's why we see the videos on YouTube of gaffs by Congresscritters. That's why we saw disruptions in town hall meetings across the country in 2009. That's why we're fast approaching the second anniversary of the Tea Party demonstrations, with no end to them in sight.
As I've said, the liberal mindset is that it's the job of the working class, the productive class, the taxpaying class, to sit down, shut up, and pay more taxes.
They're not going to stop trying to get us to do that. This week, the meme is that their refusal to express their patriotism is, in fact, patriotic; while our insistence on expressing our patriotism proves that we're not patriots at all.
That's a debate I'm happy to have any day. Because it means that the old liberal meme of "you can't question our patriotism" is over. Liberal patriotism is now fair game as a topic of debate. I'm delighted to have the discussion of which party is proud of America, and which is ashamed of it, which apologizes for America, which opposes American interests at home and abroad.
Meanwhile, it's quite comical to me that anyone thinks this thirty-second interruption in a little LWV forum is worth the national coverage it's getting.
But there we are. Some people are outraged that a retired school teacher was unable to prevent 300 patriots from reciting the pledge of allegiance when they wanted to. And some people are outraged that the teacher tried.
I have to sympathize more with the latter group, for the sole reason that their outrage is vindicated by the outrage of the former group.
So if you're in the first group, figure this out: We're not going to sit down and shut up anymore. When you tell your lies, we'll be making sure you know we noticed. When you vote against our wishes and our welfare, we'll make sure you hear about our dissatisfaction. And when you want us to sit down and shut up when we think an expression of patriotism is called for, don't hold your breath.
In fact, I'm feeling like an expression of patriotism right now:
(Cross-posted to RedState.)































16 comments:
ahhh, you, the working class, the producers, those who pay the most taxes, you the most patriotic, you the dissatisfied. Oh how we liberals put you down and hold you back. you the victims.
Ahhh, Oliver. Do let me know when you have a point to make.
I lost all respect for the League of Women Voters a long time ago. They are anything but politically neutral these days. Here in DBQ at the Iowa House/Senate forum a couple weeks ago they had a very partisan Democrat selecting the questions from those the audience submitted to be asked. You can be assured that he only selected questions that made the Dems look good.
Paul this is Joe Walsh and his followers wrapping themselves in the flag. This is pathetic and disgusting to have Joey use the pledge as a political tool. You may not have been in on this but Joe Ptak and Nick Provinsano were. Cheap political stunt from a cheap political hack.
"theRightStuff" - care to elaborate on your source of information? Are you just making shit up?
Making shit up? Nope. Don't feel bad you got sucked in. Many of us believed in Joe. But it has become clear (more so after this disgusting stunt)that Joe is out for Joe. It makes me sick that this guy uses Patriotism as a weapon.
So, no, you don't have any sources of information.
The sources are the same ones that lie to you about it. If you are looking for some sort of written documentation, I said they were disgusting not stupid.
I want you tell me who told you the plan -- either before or after the fact.
Otherwise, you're just making shit up. And I'd like to know to what purpose?
Paul et al. This is why they are called in not politically correct circles - The League of Women Vipers. I would say an understandin of patriotism is low on their list of causes.
This whole debate is totally foolish. You have a room full of voters debating politics, Left and Right. You can't get more patriotic than that. We ascribe too much to the symbolism of patriotism rather than actual patriotism, the participation in the American political process.
You've got the Left complaining that the Right drapes itself in the flag, and the Right complaining that the Left doesn't drape itself enough. Both pointing to the other as a sure sign they are not patriots. Can we just agree this whole debate about who is and isn't patriotic is as productive and truthful as comparing everybody to the Nazis.
Though as the granddaughter of a Navy man, I'd prefer if the Left and Right would stop doing the following with the flag: burning, wearing as clothing, signing at political rallies, drag around carelessly at protests, and adorning their car with miniature versions. However, I don't question your patriotism because of these acts. I know they often occur when trying to display patriotism. But seriously, they are against the flag code. Please stop.
I'm a senior at Grayslake High School (sadly won't be 18 until December), and I must say I was rather disappointed with the reactions of the high school staff to the events. The sentiment of all the teachers and administrators that I talked to afterward was that the antics were immature and set a poor example for the students. It seemed a bit hypocritical that the same teachers who were relishing in the grand return of popular pride in the country in 2008 now saw it as inappropriate because it came from the other side of the aisle. At any rate, we all know how politically neutral the public education system is anyway.
The GA debates (yes, I was the only person under 30 who stayed after the Congressional forum) weren't quite as eventful, especially the one for IL senate. Mostly about who was more fiscally conservative while still securing more state funds; not much division between Bond and Schmidt.
You're 100% right, Jason, although I did think Bond's closing cheap shot was, at best, undignified.
"At any rate, we all know how politically neutral the public education system is anyway."
Yes, there are probably very few public educators that are libertarian purists. But I'm just guessing. :)
Paul, I'm not from your part of the country, but I'm
interested to see good folks getting into office. I've
been looking up the results in the Walsh/Bean
race, and as of this Thursday morning 100% of the
precincts have reported and Mr. Walsh leads by
about 500 votes yet no win has been declared. Will
the race be subjected to a recount or will Bean
concede?
Bean has not conceded, saying that she wants to wait for provisional and absentee ballots to be counted. I won't criticize her on this, as it's the same position being taken by our GOP candidate for governor.
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