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Father Altier is off the air! (H/T: Spirit Daily):
Has anyone heard what he might have said to be censored in such fashion?In obedient compliance with the expressed written request of
Most Reverend Harry J. Flynn
Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
Father Altier’s homilies and spiritual presentations
can no longer be published on www.desertvoice.org
or broadcast on Relevant Radio.
UPDATE: I've emailed the Archdiocese to request whatever information might be available from them regarding this announcement.
I understand that Father Altier is also President of Help The Helpless.
According to his guest bio on the Relevant Radio website:
Father Robert Altier is a Roman Catholic priest in the archdiocese of Saint Paul-Minneapolis. Ordained in 1989, he currently serves as assistant pastor at the Church of Saint Agnes in Saint Paul, Minnesota. A member of the Secular Order of Discalced Carmelites, Fr. Altier has a great devotion to the Holy Eucharist and Our Blessed Mother Mary, and is loyal to the Holy Father. Fr. Altier serves as president of Help the Helpless, a charitable organization benefiting handicapped children in India. His deep commitment to providing orthodox instruction of the Catholic Faith to the faithful led him to begin the ever-popular "Fundamentals of Catholicism" series which is attended by 150 people each year and is now in its 14th year. Recordings of this series and over 150 other talks by Father Altier are available through Divine Mercy Tapes (651-454-8800) and Leaflet Missal Company in Saint Paul, MN.I'll be updating this post as new information becomes available.
UPDATE: I've emailed Drew Mariani, on whose Relevant Radio show Fr. Altier is a frequent guest, but no reply yet.
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam is suggesting that the issue was Fr. Altier's statements about the widely-criticized VIRTUS child abuse awareness program.
UPDATE: Bett.net is refusing to speculate.
UPDATE: The Seventh Age hasn't heard why this happened either.
UPDATE: The Church On-Line presumes that the issue is Fr. Altier's criticisms of VIRTUS:
The order to be silent is presumably in response to Fr. Altier’s outspoken criticism of the VIRTUS® program "Protecting God’s Children" and the archdiocesan program "Talking About Touching." As this is very likely the cause of this grave action and since there are profound problems with these programs, we would like to continue Fr. Altier’s work and provide links to several resources... [Emphasis in original.]I'm having difficulty getting my head around the idea that someone like Father Altier might be shut down, while dissenting priests and even bishops all across the country continue to enjoy the spotlight in both the secular and eccliesial media.
UPDATE: The Curt Jester contrasts Father Altier's obediance with another priest's dissent.
UPDATE: The Cafteria Is Closed has a number of interesting comments going.
UPDATE: Pair 'o Dice has commentary:
Fr. Altier happens to be one of my parish priests, in fact he married my wife and I. He is one of the most sincere men of God I've ever met in my life and certainly one of the most, if not the most dedicated Catholic priests in Minnesota.As does AdoroTeDevote:
So I'm at a loss. Fr. Altier, never one to question the authority of the Archbishop, is not speaking but rumors surround a forthcoming "day of judgment" for a few parishes that have gone "off the reservation" of late.
No one knows why this has happened. Today on my lunch break, I went to www.spiritdaily.com and clicked on the link about the "Conservative Priest nixed by Bishop" or something like that. To my complete horror, it took me to www.desertvoice.org, where Fr. Altier's homilies had been posted, and there, instead of links, was a large message stating that Archbishop Harry Flynn had requested that Fr. Altier no longer speak on Relevant Radio nor post his homilies on the internet, and Fr. Altier is obedient to that directive.It's being speculated that the action against Fr. Altier is part of a larger effort to bring dissenting priests (not that that could fairly describe Altier) into line. I forwarded this post to the Archdiocese, and I believe they read it, but no response from there as yet.
UPDATE: Spirit Daily comments:
Father Altier has expressed a number of views that some in mainstream Catholicism consider strong and controversial. We have contacted the diocese for comment.Bett.net has more, as well:
"They say you can't preach like that because the collection will go down," said Father Altier, who is a third-order Carmelite and who before becoming a priest, at age 28, had attained a degree in computer programming.
But his "tell-it-like-he-sees-it" approach, he says, has not hurt. "Parishioners seem to be fine with it, but I'm not sure other priests like it," he told Spirit Daily a while ago. "Priests are into materialism and worldliness. And if you want the material, you can't have the spiritual. Priests have gotten into a lot of worldliness."
As a local newspaper notes, Altier is a prominent voice in conservative Catholic circles and has spoken out against a sex-abuse prevention program being taught throughout the archdiocese, including to schoolchildren. He says the program is too explicit. Such programs were mandated in all dioceses by U.S. bishops as part of their response to the clergy abuse crisis.
It is Father Alitier's contention that there is a simple and real truth behind scandal. "I got sick and tired of all the lies. I just laid it out. There are three groups that have infiltrated the Church, the Masons, the Communists, and the homosexuals, who came in 1924," he alleges. "85 percent of all the abuse cases are homosexual. There is rank homosexuality. Homosexuals chose the best and brightest and best looking and put them into the priesthood."
...Archbishop Flynn, Altier’s bishop, is the chairman of the US bishops’ Ad-Hoc Committee on child and youth protection and thus it is important to his national credibility that all of the “safe environment sex education” training programs be implemented in his archdiocese. Having a prominent priest--who is heard on a national Catholic radio network and whose homilies are posted online and read throughout the country--opposing him on this is not good for his image.Is anybody happy about this yet?
Contrast the action taken against Altier with the (in)action against the infamous St. Joan of Arc parish in the same archdiocese. Outright heterodoxy from priests and people of that parish were tolerated for years until the pastor left on his own terms. There was no silencing, no rebuking. Just tolerance of stuff like a gay/lesbian ministry that openly defies the Church’s teachings.
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Last October, Altier gave a homily, that was posted online, that directly challenged these “safe environment sex ed” programs and brought up the Teresa Kettelkamp controversy...
Flynn came out in strong defense of Kettelkamp, attacking those who were criticizing her. I can see where Altier’s criticism would upset him. Heterodoxy at St. Joan’s is one thing, but one of his own priests making him look bad must be quite another.
I’m not saying this is why Altier was silenced, but absent any other information it does look bad for Flynn.
UPDATE: Our Word And Welcome To It, members of Fr. Altier's parish, comments (with a link back here, thank you!):
Seeing as how I'm not only from Minnesota, where this happened, but that we belong to St. Agnes parish (where Fr. Altier is), I suppose I'm expected to have something to say on the matter. But aside from acknowledging what's going on, and pointing you toward some really good sources of information, I'm afraid I don't have much more to offer. Perhaps I'm tired; perhaps the week has been too much of a drain (a very busy work week), but I just don't seem to be able to rouse myself to say much more.UPI reports:
Check that - I will offer this. I don't know Fr. Altier well; he's been a guest in our home once, when he blessed our previous home. He's a man of impeccable integrity, and a man of very strongly held beliefs - beliefs I happen to agree with. If he's been ordered to remain silent on any particular issue, I suspect he'll obey, because that's the kind of man he is.
So what of Archbishop Flynn? I've said this before, and I suppose I'll say it again - I think that the man personally is a good, holy, well-meaning bishop. I think he's surrounded by a group of liberal, "spirit of Vatican II" types who do the Arch a great disservice, and seem to have as one of their primary goals to antagonize every orthodox Catholic group available. So while I refrain from passing judgement on the Arch, I wouldn't have any particular reservations about sticking it to the administrative staff - right down to the sorry excuse for a diocesean newspaper, The Catholic Spirit (about which one Minneapolis-area parish once said it was too bad the Archbishop didn't have a paper that he could depend on to support his positions). From homosexual marriage to liberal politics, you can count on the Spirit to display the squishiest sort of watered-down Catholicism.
ST. PAUL, Minn., March 3 (UPI) -- The Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis has requested that the Rev. Robert Altier of St. Agnes Church stop publishing online and broadcasting on radio.If by "nothing improper had occurred" they mean to suggest that Father Altier did nothing wrong, then I think it's very nice of them to protect his reputation that way.
Altier posted a message Thursday saying he was going along with the request by Archbishop Harry Flynn.
"Father Altier's homilies and spiritual presentations can no longer be published on www.desertvoice.org or broadcast on Relevant Radio," said the posting.
A prominent voice in conservative Catholic circles, Altier has spoken out against a sex-abuse prevention program being taught throughout the archdiocese. Such programs were mandated in all dioceses by U.S. bishops as part of their response to the clergy abuse scandals.
Opponents -- including the Minneapolis-based non-profit group Catholic Parents Online, of which Altier is the spiritual adviser -- say the programs are too explicit for children.
An archdiocesan spokesman said nothing improper had occurred. [Emphasis added.]
But if not, then they're quite wrong to make that statement, because it's highly improper to silence the public statements of a popular orthodox priest while letting the dissenters run wild.
UPDATE: More on this at Bearing Blog:
Father Altier is a great priest --- I can say this from personal experience, as I've heard his homilies and I've been to him for confession. He has posted transcripts of his homilies, which are intelligent, reasoned discussions of the Gospel, for a long time, for anyone to access via the web. (Now they're down.) He is a regular guest on --- in my opinion the best part of --- the Drew Mariani Show on Relevant Radio, fielding all kinds of questions about Catholic practices, theology, current events, you name it. (Not for the time being.)Still no statement from the Archdiocese beyond simple confirmation that it happened; no word on why.
This is an example of it all going both ways, I suppose. I have criticized some in the past for complaining when the archdiocese stops comment or activity by priests who push the envelope of Church teachings in the "left" direction. They work for the Church, the Church issues their paychecks, they ought to expect that it will dictate their activities to some extent. So when criticism comes from priests on the "right," and the archdiocese requests that they quiet that criticism, the same principles apply. (Except, nags one side as I write this paragraph in an attempt to be fair and balanced, Fr. Altier isn't left or right of, but centered on, the magisterium; he's trying to encourage the archdiocese to be faithful to the magisterium.)
Perhaps the folks at the local parish will get an announcement tomorrow at mass.
UPDATE: WI Catholic Musings also wants to know why.
And Sacrmentum Vitae comments:
Having listened to many of his podcast homilies as well as to the ecclesiastical scuttlebutt about him, I believe that Fr. Robert Altier is one of the finest priests in America. That is why I am disgusted that his bishop, Archbishop Harry J. Flynn of Minneapolis-St. Paul, has reigned him in even further.Penraker has something to say about it all, too.:
Still young (45) for a priest, Altier undertook "deliverance" as his first major priestly ministry years ago. A good way of describing that would be "informal exorcism." While the permission of the local ordinary is required for the exorcism of people who, after extensive testing, are found to be diabolically possessed, any baptized Christian can engage in deliverance ministry short of that. Sometimes without proper study and guidance, lay "charismatic" Catholic groups have been doing it on their own for decades; with proper study and guidance, they can be quite effective. And in a recent post at Pontifications, I explained how and why deliverance ministry in general and exorcism in particular are becoming more common among clerics with the full backing of the Vatican. But one of Flynn's earliest acts after becoming bishop was to shut down Altier's delieverance work; according to Altier, Flynn's stated reason was that "he didn't want any priest in his diocese doing this." Not, mind you, that Altier had been doing it badly; apparently the objection was to a priest doing it at all. I don't get it—unless Flynn doesn't take literally Jesus' talk of Satan as a real and active personal force. Unfortunately, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that he doesn't.
And now Altier is not permitted to broadcast his homilies. Why not? Well, in them he has sometimes been critical of the American bishops, indeed of the clergy as a whole. The criticisms I've encountered seem to me entirely justified. I should even say that a few, such as the one about the U.S. bishops' handling of the sex-abuse problem, weren't strong enough. But apparently it isn't enough for Altier to pull a few punches; he is not to throw any at all.
Altier has built a very large following in the Twin Cities. He is a noted teacher, has his own cable TV show, is a regular guest on radio and so forth. He became popular because he would actually teach what the Catholic church teaches - in its fullness and depth.UPDATE: More at Our Word:
This is almost never done in America anymore. Priests often have no idea what the Church teaches. Most refuse to teach it if they do know. So when a priest comes along that can tell you what the church teaches, and can defend it and show you how it all make sense, it is a rare thing. People are hungering for that, instead of the half-baked new-age mumbo-jumbo pablumized Catholicism that comes slithering out of the mouths of most priests.
So what happened? Archbishop Harry Flynn seems to have disciplined him. He has been forbidden from appearing on radio. His website has been altered so that all of his sermons and other communications are no longer available. He has disappeared from the scene. He is being obedient to his bishop, which is how things are supposed to be.
Maybe the bishop did not remove him because of his stance on Virtus. Maybe something is going on that no one knows about. But it sure looks suspicious.
Does Bishop Flynn treat all who transgress in the same manner? He took years to deal with a parish that was into all sorts of strange things. He waited until their left-wing liberal priest retired. Now things are less overt. But their web site still carries information about "The goddess" and so forth. What's on their church events agenda? A concert by the Twin Cities Gay Mens chorus.
The lesson we can take from this is from Fr. Altier himself, who when he was told to stop his comments in the media, did so, obediently and humbly and immediately. What a role model, especially in this time of Lent as we reflect on our Lord who went to the Cross without opposition or complaint. We are called upon to pick up our cross daily and follow Him and that is precisely what Fr. Altier has done. Our prayers go out to him - and to Archbishop Flynn - for Jesus taught us to love our enemies. We just never thought that they would include our bishops. [Emphasis added.]"How long, oh Lord?" I'm finding this episode to be a real stumbling block. Archbishop Flynn has scandalized me.
Free Republic is reporting the story as well.
Catholic Answers Forums has extensive discussion.
UPDATE: Spirit Daily has new commentary, including a quote from Fr. Altier:
Last week, the hot button issue was a priest who is especially well-known in parts of the Midwest, where his strongly orthodox views were often broadcast over a network of stations called Relevant Radio and also on a weekly radio program, "As the Spirit Leads," in Philadelphia. A website, "A Voice in the Desert," operated by parishioners, placed his homilies -- rich in traditional viewpoints, as well as prophetic interpretations -- on the internet.As Rosenkrantz said to Guildenstern, "there's something they're not telling us." I don't know if we'll ever find out the truth. But as long as the orthodox get the Altier treatment, and the dissenters are left to wander the world, seeking the ruin of souls, the faithful will be scandalized and the hierarchy discredited.
Father Altier in the sanctuary of Saint AgnesBut Archbishop Harry J. Flynn of Minneapolis has halted his radio and internet presence [see homilies], limiting him to the vastly smaller audience of local Mass-goers at the Church of St. Agnes in St. Paul, Minnesota, where Father Altier tends to the six a.m. Mass [see previous article].
It remains unclear exactly why Father Altier was removed. Neither the archbishop nor the priest has released the letter. There is no reason to believe that the action pertains to any issue of abuse, which has led to so many other actions. But there are times when the priest has openly criticized bishops and he has been especially opposed to a sex-education program okayed by Catholic authorities.
In a statement issued to Spirit Daily, the priest writes: "Praised be Jesus Christ! The people who take care of the Desert Voice website informed me of your interest in the case in which I am involved with Archbishop Flynn. It is certainly fine with me if you want to write something about it, but there really does not seem to be much of a story, on the surface, to write. The fact that this thing has taken on a life of its own with no help from anyone in particular should tell you that it is really not about me at all. Rather, it is about something much larger than me.
"Beyond that, I really do not have much to say other than what was said of the Apostles 2000 years ago, i.e., that they rejoiced that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name [Acts 5:41]. All of this is part of God’s loving providence and He will bring about a greater good from this than any of us can ask or imagine. Can you think of a better way to live out the Lenten observance?
"Regarding the letter from the Archbishop, I will not release it to anyone. This is done solely out of respect for the Archbishop. He did not request that I not release the letter; it is my decision to act in this manner out of respect for his Excellency.
"The Archbishop acted within the bounds of his jurisdictional rights (canon 831 §2) and I simply have to obey. The rest is up to our Lord and Our Lady. It is so wonderful because I am at peace and filled with joy knowing that through obedience I am doing the will of God.
"Who could ask for anything more in this world than to know with certainty the will of God for you at any given moment and to be able to live it out in peace and joy? The whole thing is a pure gift from God. This is my take on the whole situation, but as I mentioned above, this cannot possibly be about me. I am merely an instrument that God is using for a much larger purpose. So, if you want to write an article, you really do need to look at what God is doing here."
"We'll let the Holy Spirit do that; we'll urge obedience (above sacrifice); and we'll leave it to your own discernment."
The case once more points up the increasingly open face-off between liberals and conservatives, as well as conservatives and ecclesiastic authorities. The time has come to wait for further Vatican guidance and patiently listen to each other, avoiding disunity. Inquiries have been made for more information, if prudent, from the archdiocese.
UPDATE: BettNet decries more of the double standard (H/T: The Cafteria Is Closed):
On the one hand, you have Father Robert Altier, who has been silenced apparently for publicly disagreeing with his archbishop, Harry Flynn of Minneapolis, over “safe environment sex education” programs. (And I don’t care what you say, this was a silencing. He was forced to remove his homilies from public distribution and to stop speaking on a Catholic radio program.) To his credit, Altier obeyed the order, only speaking about it to the extent to say that he was obeying a lawful order of his superior.And it’s not like Tegeder is new at this game: “Tegeder is a longtime thorn in the side of archdiocese officials; he also has spoken out against the prohibition of married Catholic priests. But on the gay marriage issue, he’s not alone.” Yes, there are 28 priests total who have co-signed a letter to Flynn saying in part: “We believe that your aggressive and widespread endeavor in favor of the amendment is a scandal.”
On the other hand, you have priests of the same archdiocese publicly dissenting from the Church’s dogmatic teachings on homosexuality and marriage.
"Anybody who wants to be in a committed relationship and have children — I say God bless them," said the Rev. Mike Tegeder, head pastor at St. Edward’s. While plenty of other denominations have struggled with gay rights, and clergy of other faith are involved with the postcard campaign, it’s a particularly thorny issue for Catholics.
So, I’m left wondering whether Flynn will be consistent. Altier was silenced for disagreeing with a policy decision, not doctrine and dogma. He certainly wasn’t personally attacking the archbishop. Yet you have these priests attacking Flynn and espousing heterodox views. And they’ll get away with it. Why? Altier was ordered to be quiet because Flynn knew he would obey, being the good orthodox priest he is. If Flynn were to try to order the heterodox priests to be silent, they’d laugh in his face. He’d then be forced to either put up or shut up, and if he were to back down, then his authority would dissipate like smoke in the wind. Better to speak strongly of orthodoxy and ignore the heterodoxy than confront the heterodoxy and let it win is the apparent mindset.
UPDATE: 3/20/2006 - Statement Received from Archbishop Flynn's communications office:
To interested partyUPDATE: Paul comments on His Excellency the Archbishop's statement:
Thank you for your recent note. I appreciate that you have benefited spiritually from Fr. Altier’s homilies. He has done much good work and is not being “silenced.”
Fr. Robert Altier is a priest of the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis in good standing. He wrote to ask me for permission to extend his radio ministry. I reviewed the situation and discerned that a break from his multi-media apostolates might be beneficial to him and to the parish of Saint Agnes. His primary responsibility has been and continues to be as assistant to the pastor there in ministering to the parishioners. The specific reasons for this decision are within the context of a bishop’s relationship with his priests. It would be most inappropriate to discuss them with others.
Many people have leaped to inaccurate and unkind conclusions. They do a disservice to Fr. Altier and to me. I pray that Lent will be a time for them to examine their consciences and grow in charity. They would be well-advised to listen to or read some homilies about the perils of rashly judging others and about the respect owed to the successors of the apostles.
Some people have mentioned concerns with regard to the “safe environment” programs for children. Let me assure you that pastors in this Archdiocese have a number of options from which to choose and that parents always retain the right to withhold their children from any program to which they object.
I hope that you may avail yourself of some of the other good spiritual resources on the radio, Internet or in good, old-fashioned books. I personally enjoy the insights of the periodical missal Magnificat. You are also free to visit Saint Agnes where Fr. Altier continues to actively minister.
With every good wish, I remain
Sincerely yours in Christ,
Most Reverend Harry J. Flynn, D. D.
Archbishop of Saint Paul and Minneapolis
The statement from the Archbishop includes several points:
1. Fr. Altier was not "silenced" (quotes in original).
2. The Archbishop, apparently without consultation with the pastor, whom we've been told seemed surprised by the move, decided that, contrary to Fr. Altier's stated wishes, it was in the best interests of Fr. Altier and his parish that Father's "multi-media apostolates" be given a break.
3. There are other reasons, but it would be inappropriate to discuss them.
4. The Archbishop feels that the people who have remarked on these events have been disrespectful to him, and urges us to consider "the respect owed to the successors of the apostles".
5. There is nothing wrong with "Talking About Touching", and even if there is something wrong with it, it's optional.
6. Why don't you people go read a book and quit bothering me?
Each of which begs a new question:
1. If Fr. Altier was not "silenced", then why can I no longer hear him?
2. Are we sure it was Fr. Altier and St. Agnes Parish that would benefit, or might it not be Archbishop Flynn and USCCB? In the former case, how could the benefit of the parish or the priest require removing an on-line archive of past homilies?
3. Without touching on the specifics of this case, could someone at the Archdiocese give us some examples of some possible circumstances that might lead to such a move in the case of a priest who has done nothing wrong, and much good work, as the Archbishop says of Fr. Altier? Would it be appropriate to discuss other cases of priests whose public statements might be viewed as scandalous?
4. Is there an extant homily by an American bishop of the past 30 years or so on the topic of the respect owed to the successor of Peter, from which I might glean a lesson about respect for bishops? Are bishops owed respect regardless of their actions, or might it be true that, as St. Athanasius, himself a bishop, said, "the floor of hell is covered with the skulls of bishops"? And isn't it true that "respect for the successors of the apostles" is a code phrase for "you conservatives be quiet while we go about re-making the Church in our own image"?"
5. If the "Talking About Touching" program is so good, why would opt-outs be needful? Would it be OK for your inner-city parishes to serve manure-laced dog food to the homeless, on the grounds that they could always go over to the Salvation Army instead?
6. In the "Spirit of Vatican II", the lay faithful are taking a greater involvement in the running of the church. Not just the liberals, dissenters, queers, and heretics, but those of us who also value the long tradition of the Universal Church.
UPDATE (3/22/2006): Mitchell at Our Word comments on Archbishop Flynn's note (with a link back here, thanks!):
This response is pure Archbishop Flynn: at once pastoral and condesending, thoughtful and tactless, intriguing and infuriating. In many ways it reads like a letter of recommendation written by an HR department for an employee that has been fired: cautious in the extreme, stressing the obvious, providing nothing that could be used against them, adding nothing to the base of knowledge.UPDATE: Spirit Daily knows someone who got the same e-mail.
To the archbishop's suggestion that his critics "would be well-advised to listen to or read some homilies about the perils of rashly judging others and about the respect owed to the successors of the apostles," his point is correct, and well-taken. One could only add that the archbishop himself might be well-advised to consult scripture, particularly Matthew 18:6.
UPDATE (3/28/06) The Catholic Caveman responds to an archdiocesan spokesman:
Roll up your trouser legs... the bullshit's getting deep the the Roman Protestant Archdiocese of St. Paul-Minneapolis. Vicar General Father Kevin McDonough stated: "I don't believe in this archdiocese there has ever been an active subculture of homosexual priests who were sexually active and justifying their behavior."Of course, there's more.
Hold on... back the truck up. I've never personally been backstroking in a pool of shit, but I think the good folks in St. Paul-Minneapolis are about to.
Father McDonough's public assertion was surprising especially since his own brother Professor William McDonough, a priest (active as such at least until 1998) in the diocese, is on public record going against Church teaching on homosexuality. At The Society of Christian Ethics, professor McDonough convened the "Gay and Lesbian Issues Interest Group sessions". In 2001, he presented the paper "Toward a MacIntyrean ethic of same-sex life partnerships". In an issue of Review for Religious he authored "Acknowledging The Gift Of Gay Priestly Celibacy."
Moreover, there is definitely a hornet's nest among clergy in the diocese regarding the Church's teaching on homosexuality. In February 2006, 27 priests of the diocese sent a letter to the bishop saying his support of the marriage amendment was a scandal and act of discrimination, but the archdiocese is unwilling to release the names of the priests who signed the letter. What a shocker, huh?
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32 comments:
What??? Please keep us updated.
God bless Fr. Altier for showing us, by his actions, how to be obeient to God's chosen shepherds.
I am pretty sure it is because of his comments regarding the VIRTUS program for children, which,IMHO, he was out of line in making. It has caused an inordinate amount of trouble for the Archdiocese because no child has to take the program that the parents do not want them to take. They just have to sign off and do it themselves. It is my belief that if something like this had been in place 40 years ago, we would not be in the trouble we are now.
That being said... I am a fan and backer of Fr. Altier...
The number of dissident priests in the Archdiocese of Saint Paul is incredible, they continue to attack the Church teaching on contraception, abortion, active homosexuality and the ordination of women. With nary a discernable peep from the chancery; what gives?
Andrew, O.P.
Nobody seems to know yet what the situation might be with respect to Father Altier.
It might be something as simple as his homilies, tapes and radio appearances keeping him from the full performance of his duties at St. Agnes. Other priests active on the internet have been required to quit. Some of EWTN's priests have lost the permission of their bishop to do broadcasts for them.
The rumor seems to be that the issue is Father Altier's homily vigorously objecting to the Virtus sex education program. That homily was given last October.
Whatever the issue, being an Bishop (or Archbishop or Cardinal) these days can't be much fun.
Archbishop Flynn apparently did a fine job when he was sent to Lafayette, LA many years ago to clean up one of the earliest and still one of the biggest sex abuse scandals in the Church.
St. Paul was his "reward." There have been some cases here, but not nearly to the extent found in some other diocese. But there have been lawsuits and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that adoption of the "Virtus" program might be required by some legal agreement that kept down the financial payments required to be made by the archdiocese.
If Father Altier's Virtus homily has severely cut enrollments in that program to the point where the archdiocese can't fulfill that (hypothetical) agreement, then that might be a reason that the Archbishop acted as he did.
The wording of the announcement on the Desert Voices web page is strange, but it may not have been written by the Archdiocese.
I'm sure the local media by now must be on to the hunt and we might find something out in the next few days. St. Agnes often makes news around here so somebody must have some sources.
It's my opinion that it has to do with the VIRTUS program, which is, for those who don't know, the spawn of Playboy and Planned Parenthood, and being forced upon the Church. The program involves breaching Catholic moral doctrine with regard to words children do not need to know in order to understand "good touch/bad touch".
A 5 year old boy does not need to know anything about female sex organs, or what they are for, nor does he need to know what adult male organs do in certain situations. This is the kind of thing the program teaches.
It is a spiritual battle, so would it be any surprise if Father Altier's speaking out has anything whatsoever to do with it?
If I'm wrong, the I'm wrong. There could be a perfectly good reason for the written request to stand down, but given the rampant dissent which is loud and proud in our archdiocese, it's a sad day we face when we can't click a link and read solid teachings by this holy priest.
It's sure a spiritual battle these days, VIRTUS program sure is an odd progrom for the church to be doing and other priests are not for this and they are hoping for a light to shine in this darkness., so to speak. Well at least there are some past homilies that are floating around the web that I came accross.
Homilies
I'm in Minneapolis too. My parish priest, and the principal of the parish elementary school, has already announced that our parish WILL NOT be using "Talking about Touching" or any of the other programs the archdiocese recommends --- the principal (who is a layperson) has gone on record saying that they are all "unacceptable."
I'm hoping that the Archdiocese doesn't force our hand --- although since we have the right to opt out, we could simply have every parent in the parish sign the opt-out form.
Flynn is in charge so must take responsibility. It's his archdiocese and he's the manager. So I will not blame his "team" for heretical performance. Rome (the Pope) must exercise authority and remove unorthodox bishops like Flynn. Until Rome begins to care more about Truth and Faith than possible "splits" in the Church, liberalism and homosexuality will continue to pervade Chanceries.
Paul,
Great, great work collecting the ongoing coverage. Thanks for all your efforts, and for the link back to our blog. Not much new today - Fr. Welzbacher, the pastor, in a voice that at times seemed to betray some anger, confirmed in his sermon today that he had not been told about the archbishop's actions prior to hearing it in the media, and had not been given the reason why it had been done. He commended Fr. Altier for his obedience, cited the relevant Canon Law areas in which the bishop is given the authority which Archbishop Flynn has chosen to exercise, and ended by asking the congregation to pray for both Fr. Altier and the Archbishop.
My wife and I are continuing to cover this as well at Our Word, and have two more posts up today with some commentary and perspective on the whole thing - hereand here.
Listen to the Fundamentals of Catholicism and Other Talks by Father Robert Altier
at
http://trueteaching.net/
Fr Altier is a wonderfully holy priest loved by his parishioners and listeners and has been going through much persecution from his bishop for being a faithful Catholic priest! His opposition to the Bishop's evil sex ed program was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Get the entire story on the censorship of this holy priest here:
http://chronicleofameanderingtraveller.blogspot.com/2006/03/us-bishops-evil-sex-ed-virtus-program.html
and the background on the VIRTUS and "Talk About Touching" programs here:
http://chronicleofameanderingtraveller.blogspot.com/2006/01/re-innocence-of-your-children-is-at.html
Fr. Altier has been a guest in our home, and my wife (then fiance) converted to Catholicism after taking his "Fundamentals of Catholicism" course. He's a stand-up guy who tells it like it is. He has many friends and followers in the Twin Cities.
He was ordained in 1989, and was known as a relatively mild mannered priest with a Carmelite spirituality. As I recall, it was at the 1993 Marian Conference in Minneapolis that his reputation began to change. He walked to the stage and grasped the microphone. Everyone was expecting the sort of understated sermon he was known for at St. Agnes. But something took hold of him and he delivered one of the most electrifying speeches I've ever heard. The audience was dumbfounded. I can remember looking around the room and seeing people standing there wide-eyed and slack-jawed.
Afterwards, he was at a loss for what had happend. He told me he had gone completely off script (uncharacteristic for him at the time), and that he believed the Holy Spririt had spoken through him. He was essentially flying on auto-pilot.
Word started getting around about his new found "gift," and Father became a popular speaker at local Catholic functions. His message often touched on the supernatural (he has a strong interest in Church approved prophesies, visions and apparitions), but he also dealt with political issues as they impacted the faith.
Over the years his following grew until he became (arguably) the most popular priest in the diocese among those of us who adhere to a more conservative brand of Catholicism. For this reason, he's long been on Archbishop Flynn's radar screen. In fact, I understand he's been a special guest in the Archbishop's office on more than one occasion (and they weren't having tea and crumpets).
Not long ago, he made a number of public comments regarding Virtus and the "Talking About Touching" (TAT) sex-ed program adopted by the Bishops' Conference (and spearheaded by Archbishop Flynn). Father Altier was dead-on, criticising the program as being a threat to the innocence of children and fundamentally secular in it's philosophy.
Unfortunately, rather than merely calling the Bishops' Conference to the carpet for bad judgement, hasty decision making, and relying on lawyers to guide church policy (all true, in my opinion), he got carried away and stated: "...once again the bishops of the United States are trying to cause a scandal and to destroy our children."
I believe it was this single inflammatory comment that finally forced Flynn's hand. When trying to implement a national sex-ed program, already controversial, Flynn could ill-afford to have one of his own accusing the Bishops Conference of willfully harming kids.
Archbishop Flynn has given Father Altier some quiet time to "reflect on his actions," while keeping him out of the limelight during the all-important implementation phase of TAT. Not only are his homilies and speeches unavailable, he's been rendered essentially inaccessible via phone or e-mail. This is a very frustrating development for those of us with an attachment to Father Altier. We can only wonder what he's going through. Will he emerge the same outspoken defender of the faith we've grown to love, or will he be replaced by a kinder, gentler, more politically correct "Stepford Priest?"
Father Altier comments to Spirit Daily
http://www.spiritdaily.com/churchgyrations.htm
In a statement issued to Spirit Daily, the priest writes: "Praised be Jesus Christ! The people who take care of the Desert Voice website informed me of your interest in the case in which I am involved with Archbishop Flynn. It is certainly fine with me if you want to write something about it, but there really does not seem to be much of a story, on the surface, to write. The fact that this thing has taken on a life of its own with no help from anyone in particular should tell you that it is really not about me at all. Rather, it is about something much larger than me.
"Beyond that, I really do not have much to say other than what was said of the Apostles 2000 years ago, i.e., that they rejoiced that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name [Acts 5:41]. All of this is part of God’s loving providence and He will bring about a greater good from this than any of us can ask or imagine. Can you think of a better way to live out the Lenten observance?
"Regarding the letter from the Archbishop, I will not release it to anyone. This is done solely out of respect for the Archbishop. He did not request that I not release the letter; it is my decision to act in this manner out of respect for his Excellency.
"The Archbishop acted within the bounds of his jurisdictional rights (canon 831 §2) and I simply have to obey. The rest is up to our Lord and Our Lady. It is so wonderful because I am at peace and filled with joy knowing that through obedience I am doing the will of God.
"Who could ask for anything more in this world than to know with certainty the will of God for you at any given moment and to be able to live it out in peace and joy? The whole thing is a pure gift from God. This is my take on the whole situation, but as I mentioned above, this cannot possibly be about me. I am merely an instrument that God is using for a much larger purpose. So, if you want to write an article, you really do need to look at what God is doing here."
"We'll let the Holy Spirit do that; we'll urge obedience (above sacrifice); and we'll leave it to your own discernment."
What? Not one person to point out that genuine obedience from Fr Altier would have been a quiet submission of will to the Archbishop. All of his comments regarding the direction of the Archbishop and his 'humble' submission are a passive/aggressive attack on the Archbishop designed to spark this gossip oriented on-line attack. He could have just followed the direction of the Archbishop and the whole Archdiocese and broader church would have been better for it. Now he is a martyr.
Anonymous (from last post, 3/9)
I totally disagree. Do you always assume the worst intentions of people? Father Altier is not in solitary confinement, and he issued a statement to Spirit Daily in order to calm all the fuss. And you know what? It worked...things have been MUCH more quiet since his statement. He cited obedience as his typical method of teaching not just in words, but by example. He's telling all of us that he has to obey, and in doing so, he's saying, "hint hint...." to everyone.
The gossip-oriented stuff started before his statement to Spirit Daily. He helped calm the storm.
So we can assume all the best about Fr Altier but the Archbishop is a shmuck who is not deserving of the same respect.
If you folks are the good ones in the church we are in serious trouble.
I make no claim of being among "the good ones in the church" -- I'm just proceeding according to my own best understanding and perception. If I'm wrong, I'd welcome being told where.
But no one has accused Fr. Altier of anything; his archdiocese said specifically that he'd done nothing wrong.
My point, which I believe you are choosing to ignore is this.
We know very little about this case except what has been placed on Fr Altier's website- which he holds at arms length by claiming it is someone else's work.
Even if we except that it is the work of another, the "written request of the Archbishop" is confidential information -at least in the eyes of the Archbishop who cannot and will not respond.
The act of telling people that this is his doing- even if we are to believe this was an innocent move- does give rise to scandal, scandal which Fr Altier should act more aggressively to halt.
Instead, he chooses to let all of blogdom continue to malign and attack a good man and an Archbishop I am pleased to call my own.
Not much mention in all of your comments about his need for our prayers though is there.
No longer anonimous,
See what Clayton at "the Weight of Glory" www.doxaweb.com has to say about this. At least he recognizes the need for charity and level-headedness in this.
If you need more- delve into the archived homilies of Fr Altier and see if you can't gleen out a few good reasons that these should not find a permantent home in cyber space- forget the "virtus" stuff- look at January 1, 2004, Look at his commentary about the "communists, masons, and homosexuals conspiring to infiltrate the clergy. The paranoia is bleeding off the screen.
and befre anyone tells me Fr Altier was just doing what he had to do- he could have just simply pretended to take a hiatus from these duties until things settled down.
Jon, we know a little more than what is on Fr. Altier's webiste. The wire service UPI interviewed a spokesman for the Archdiocese, who confirmed the contents of Fr. Altier's statement, and stated that Fr. had done "nothing improper".
Fr. Altier's own statement does ask for prayers for the Archbishop, but it's not for him to stop "all of blogdom" from doing anything at all. He has neither the responsibility nor the ability to quell my questions.
Rather, I would say it's for the Archbishop, if he cares about public opinion, to provide a little rumor control and give us some facts to explain his actions.
Otherwise, all we have is speculation; speculation which, while I have reported it (carefully labelled as such), I have not personally engaged in myself.
On the other hand, in an archdiocese which boasts openly dissenting priests, I'm told, why has your Archbishop moved against a priest whom his spokesman admits has "done nothing improper"? I doubt you know. Neither do I.
And in a more general vein, if bishops can take this sort of action against priests, why don't they spare us the priests who dissent from the Church's teachings on sexual morality, gay "marriage", the ordination of women, and even the sacraments, and leave orthodox priests like Fr. Altier to preach to those of us who want to hear them?
BTW, are you trying to tell me that homosexuals haven't infiltrated our clergy?
The idea that Homosexuals are organized enough to choose from among their brightest and best looking in order to have these infltrate the clergy is idiotic- yes he says that.
The statement on 'desert voice' makes no request for prayers for the Archbishop. It refers questions about this matter to the Archbishops office.
We do not know how many priests the Archbishop has had similar conversations with- most likely this is not because he doesn't have them- it is because the priest on the receiving end of the request made by someone to whom the priest has taken an oath of obedience responds with non-public compliance to the request. fr Altier, for whatever reason chose not to do this.
Unfortunately, the shame is no longer just his.
Since when is preaching of anny priest about what you want to hear?
Go to Wal-mart for what you want.
Oh, please, if you're free to dislike his preaching, I'm free to like it.
I don't even have to agree with every word or every idea. I can still want to hear what he has to say.
I will take my preaching spiced heavily with Gospel context and a side of love thank you, hold the paranoia. I might even want a bit of advice to go.
Like I said in the thread above, I will pray for you-
Dominican,
You're out of line. Father Altier describes the whole problem here.
Anyone who can criticize this priest for standing up for the faith has lost their faith or is profoundly ignorant of the corruption of the hierarchy.
http://desertvoice.excerptsofinri.com/fr_altier_103005.html
Paul,
Excellent comments on the archbishop's response. My friend Ray received the same response, which is obviously a form response of some kind. Suggests to me that he's receiving a lot of inquiry on this issue.
I treated this issue in my post today, with much the same reaction. I know the archbishop is pastoral - I know it - and it drives me crazy that his manner throws away any sense of good will that other actions of his might have created.
I have it on reliable authority from those who know the archbishop that he does not like confrontation, that he would be much more comfortable if everyone could just get along. Fine attributes for a parish priest, perhaps, but not for a bishop in a culture engaged in a war for the hearts and souls of mankind.
Does the archbishop suggest that any disagreement with him is a challenge to his authority, and thus not befitting the respect due a bishop? I really would like to know this, because it could make our job much easier in the future!
I would like to respond to Andrew O.P.--If we opt out we have to do 4 differnet things--one includes signing an insurance waiver so if our child is ever abused we will be charged with neglect. We have been given the RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY BY GOD, to educate our kids yet we have to BEG our priest who is completely DISINTERESTED in MY KIDS and their future--(if he had any interest AT ALL why hasn't he bothered to read anything on HIS OWN????--as I have!!) I think it would be nice if all Priests and Bishops would get to realize that this title they take "Father"--Means FATHER and they are responsible to God for how they harm us--through neglect, pride, disinterest and laziness. I shouldn't have to BEG and hope and plead and then leave my parish because the church will not honor my rights and responsibilities as a parent--the very rights and responsibilities they claim I have!!!
Paul,
Top notch coverage. I have been covering it myself, but not to the depth that you have.
Keep up the good work.
Paul,
No wonder your "hit" meter is going off the charts. Your blog is the national clearinghouse for all the events in Minn.-St. Paul.
Keep up the good work.
Anonymous (3/5) says:
"Flynn is in charge so must take responsibility. It's his archdiocese and he's the manager."
That's one of the major problems with today's Church. Our bishops are managers and NOT the LEADERS they should be. How many shepherds do you think ever "managed" a flock of sheep?
Anonmous (3/9) says:
"All of his comments regarding the direction of the Archbishop and his 'humble' submission are a passive/aggressive attack on the Archbishop designed to spark this gossip oriented on-line attack."
Oh, so besides ignoring Matt. 7:1, you are also a psychologist or other kind of shrink?
Paul,
I do agree that something seems fishy here, but for the sake of seeking truth we need to be fair about our response to situations like these. May I offer some fraternal corrections to your comments?
re 1. To be "silenced" is a formal move by a bishop that prohibits somebody from teaching due to the possibility of heresy or scandal. There are many other reasons that a bishop may ask a priest to cease certain activities. Archbishop Flynn claims the good of the parish, which could mean that Father Altier was in danger of burning himself out was under some similar circumstances. Granted, Father Altier's comments makes that an unlikely reason, but we should be fair about the way these terms are used.
re 4. Obedience to a bishop is a good and necessary thing, even when bishops are bad. Unless the bishop is leading us into heresy or sin, we owe the bishop respect because he stands in the seat of the apostles, who were granted the authority of Christ. Bishops are our fathers. We may not always agree with our fathers, but we always owe them honor. It is ok to ask questions about a bishop's decision, and it is even our duty to communicate to our bishop when we think he has made an error. However, it is not ok to doubt his authority. Families cannot be reduced to "liberal" and "conservative," and the Church is a covenant - a sacred family.
re 5. From what I have heard, there are some major problems with the safe environment program being promoted in the Archdiocese of Minneapolis/St. Paul. I am very involved in the area of moral and chastity education. I am involved in marriage preparation, NFP instruction, chastity education, and moral theology instruction for our diocese. Church documents, such as "Truth and Meaning of Human Sexuaity," are consistent in their teaching that parents must have the primary responsibility for teaching sexuality to their children. So, even in the case of our diocese (La Crosse), which is developing a solid chastity education program, parents have the option not to participate. The reason for this, stated in "Truth and Meaning of Human Sexuality," is that only parents know the unique needs of their children. When is a child ready to hear about menstrual periods or intercourse? Only parents really know - there is no magic age of readiness.
re 6. Your response is excellent and true, according not only to the "Spirit of Vatican II," but to the Code of Canon Law. However, your re-presentation of Archbishop Flynn's statement was unfair. In his letter, His Excellency affirmed that Catholic media is a good thing. I agree with him that books are also an excellent source of formation (though too often overlooked). The Magnificat is an excellent publication. Archbishop Flynn was not telling you to go read a book and leave him alone.
All of that said, I agree with most of the sentiments you reflect in your analysis of the Archbishop's letter. It truly would be a shame if Father Altier is being silenced simply because he is too orthodox when so many heterodox priests are given free reign. However, it weakens our position if we argue in ways that are unfair to the "opposition."
In Christ's love,
Jeffrey
www.faith-matters.blogspot.com
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