Saturday, July 09, 2005
Contra Gay "Marriage"
I promised the anonymous commenter to my Prediction post that I would have the basic argument against gay "marriage" here within the week. Here are several:
First, let me say that in a secular pluralistic society such as that in the U.S., people should be free to make their own arrangements about how to live, so long as it isn't harming or endangering children.
The question at issue, then, is whether anything obligates society to extend the formal recognition and approval of marriage to relationships other than the traditional one-man/one-woman relationship.
1. Every human culture in history has held that marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Heterosexual monogamous lifetime union is not an American convention, nor an invention of Christianity, nor an idea of mine. Neither the Pope, nor the government of any nation, has the authority to re-define marriage. It doesn't belong to them, they didn't create it.
2. If people can now say that it is not the union of one man and one woman, they must then say what marriage is.
Any definition of marriage will necessary exclude contradicting definitions. If you say it's the union of any two people, I'm sure I could find some poly group of people to ask why you don't want to let people marry whomever they want.
3. If people have an alternative definition of marriage to advance, they must explain what gives them the authority to make their definition of marriage supercede the traditional definition. A person who wishes to include same-sex couples in the definition of marriage must explain why his authority to make this change is superior to my authority to resist the change, and also superior to the Mormons' authority to include plural marriages (or someone else's authority to include incestuous marriages, or marriages to children, or what have you).
4. If marriage can be anything, then it will be nothing. If opponents of the traditional definition wish to say that any relationship with any number of people can be a marriage, then the concept of marriage has lost all meaning and purpose.
5. The purpose of traditional marriage is essentially to engender and raise children. There are incidental and inherent rewards for the parents involved as well, to help provide incentives to them to engage in this endeavor. Both science and experience teach us that the male/female two-parent family is by far the best format for raising happy, healthy children to be good citizens. A new generation of good citizens is obviously a necessity for any society, and therefore human societies have traditionally offered recognition and support for couples who commit to take on the burdens and make the sacrifices involved.
It is incidental to the institution of marriage that some couples cannot or choose not to have children, or break up due to death of one or both partners, or do a poor job of raising the children despite of the advantages of the two-parent family.
A couple who marry may raise two or three or even seven or eight children. The children of that marriage may continue to marry and raise children, providing, as the years go by, increasing numbers of new citizens to vote, serve, and pay taxes.
By contrast, a committed gay relationship has as its essential purpose the fulfillment and enjoyment of the people involved in it. This is not in itself harmful to society, and should be tolerable in a free society. But it is no greater benefit to society than if the relationship does not occur. Such a relationship exists for the benefit of those in the relationship, and not for the benefit of society at large (and often in spite of the disapproval of society at large). Therefore, society gains nothing from extending formal recognition and support to that relationship.
It is incidental to the nature of homosexual relationships that some of them adopt children, have children from previous relationships or have children by other extraordinary (that is, not-ordinary) means, and may successfully raise those children to be contributing members of society.
The essence of heterosexual marriage is to benefit society. The essence of homosexual relationships is to benefit only the people in the relationship. Therefore, society has no obligation to extend the benefits, recognition, or societal approval of marriage to homosexual relationships.
6. The founding fathers didn't define marriage in the Constitution because they never imagined that anyone would ever want to re-define it. No culture in the world has ever defined marriage as anything other than the union of one man and one woman. For most of the history of Christian Europe, it was the permanent union of one man and one woman.
Last summer, an attempt to add this traditional definition to the Constitution was voted down by people who said that the issue should be left to the states. In 1787, it was too fundamental to be in the Constitution. In 2004, it wasn't fundamental enough.
7. I have yet to see an explanation intended to persuade me to any other point of view, based on why it's good for my society to support homosexual relationships by extending the approval of marriage to them.
Most arguments I've seen are based on erroneous claims of equal "rights", as though marriage was a right. Anyone who was ever turned down for marriage by someone they loved, or was left by a husband or wife they loved, can tell you that marriage is not a right.
Beyond these, I've only seen assertions of what someone wants, with no explanation of why they should have it.
8. There are some (such as Mayor Daley of Chicago) who have argued that homosexual "marriage", contrary to the claims of some defenders of traditional marriage, will not harm the institution of marriage, as that institution is already greatly harmed by divorce and other problems.
In reply to this, I can only sadly agree, and call for reforms of divorce laws to better protect the enforceability of the marriage covenant, to better provide for wives, children, and husbands.
9. And finally, the religious argument (which none of the above were): homosexual conduct is sinful, and a healthy society does not encourage or endorse it as being morally equivalent with heterosexual relationships.
The comments link is right down there. No name-calling, please.
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9 comments:
Hi,
I agree on everything, except on the last argument: homosexual conduct is as sinful as certain (99% of tha case) heterosexual conduct. The sin stays, in my opinion, in the lack of respect and true love towards the partner, which may happen in both conducts.
Bye.
Mik
If you are really Catholic, you must be aware of the American Catholic Bishops statement titled "Always Our Children, where they confirm that homosexuality is not a choice, but is born in them. I have yet to meet a homosexual who doesn't wish he was staraight. In this bitter society, no one would choose that life. What would you tell your grandchild, who at age 12 told his mother"I'm not like the other boys"? This argument about two parents to raise a child......would you take the children away from a widow or single mom? My son and his wife take in foster children. Some of them should be so lucky as to be adopted by some of the homosexuals I know.
Only about 10 % of the population is homosexual or Lesbian. What's the big deal? What they do will have no effect on my marriage. This is so uncharitable. In the time of the apostles they were called eunuchs, but in todays world some would like to string them up. This is showing the face of Jesus??? Imelda
Actually, Imelda, much less of the population than 10% is homosexual. But if you don't know any who'd choose that life, you must know a different group than I do; the ones I know clearly chose to embrace their temptations.
So the ones you know, who aren't gay about being gay, have they looked into the ministries who claim that they can help people stop being homosexual? If not, I'd have to say they have chosen their lot, if they're doing nothing to change it.
I'm sure the homosexuals you know are nice people. So are the ones I know. That doesn't obligate me, or you for that matter, to confirm them in a sinful and self-destructive lifestyle by offering it the sanction of calling what they have "marriage".
By the by, these homosexuals you know, whom any adoptive child would be "lucky" to have as "parents", are they, in fact, seeking to adopt?
And, are you sure that gay marriage doesn't threaten you? Your Christian faith? Your marriage?
Finally, yes, I'm as Catholic as a Regular Guy can be -- not perfectly so, but doing my best. I am familiar with the statement by the USCCB that you mention. Are you familiar with the Church's ancient and infallible teaching, clearly stated in the Catechism that the homosexual orientation is inherently disordered, and that the homosexaul act is gravely sinful? Is it showing the face of Jesus to say, not "go, and sin no more," but rather, "hey, if feels good, do it!"
Pre-historically, humans lived in promiscuous small groups. For tens of thousands of years!
Of course, if you "believe" in the story of Adam and Eve, your view might be a little skewed.
Now I'm sure that christians, at least the ones that I know, are nice people. That doesn't obligate me to accept their perverted notions and allow them to corrupt society.
Well, Anonymous, if you want to form a historical re-enactor group to live like the cavemen did in promiscuous small communities, you go right head. Do let me know how your first attempts at agriculture go.
But I really doubt they were largely gay, given the fact that they appear to have produced offspring.
But the rest of us have moved on, and found some things that work better.
And, btw, I don't believe it about the pre-historic societies anyway.
Hi, I know this is an old post, just wanted to respond.
1. This is just arguing that the status quo is old and traditional and therefore correct. The same could have been said of women's suffrage ("women have never had the right to vote before, so they should not have it now"). And the previous commenter's notion of pre-historic societies, whether it is accurate or not, goes to the idea that at some point someone had to come up with the idea of male/female marriage. There had to be a first marriage.
2. Pro-gay marriage advocates are pushing for marriage to be between any two adults of any gender. Polygamy is irrelevant to this discussion, if polygamists want to further expand the notion of marriage they are free to do so, but polygamists != gay people.
3. There is no need to explain authority, just as there is no need to explain or justify the authority of the status quo. If pro-gay marriage advocates can work through education, politics, grassroots, protest, publication, and use the legislative, executive, and judicial systems to get what they're after, that's all the authority they need recognize or claim. And you don't need authority to resist the change. Again, this is a veiled attempt at appealing to the "it's tradition, therefore it's right" argument.
4. Irrelevant, the terms are clearly defined and polygamy is a common straw man in these discussions.
5. You've pre-defined your terms to enforce your argument, this is disingenuous. What you claim are the "essences" of the two kinds of marriage perfectly fits your desired conclusion. The negative (to your argument) aspects of heterosexual marriage you claim as "incidental", as well as the positive (again, to your argument) aspects of gay relationships. It's hard to respond to this point because you've loaded the terms in such a skewed way. But you don't get to define the "essence" of anything, or the "traditional purpose" of anything just based on your say-so. It's intellectualy dishonest.
6. Don't have a disagreement here. This is new territory, and it's being addressed in the states. Although just because the founders didn't think of something doesn't mean anything intrinsically (see amendments).
7. You've established that marriage is not a right, it is a benefit. So it follows that this is a benefit that you are enjoying in our society and that gay people are not. This is unequal. It helps our society to treat people as equals. (You can get around this point by saying, "Well, gay people have the right to marry people of the opposite sex." I hope not, but if you do you'll find it sounds absurd as soon as you assert it.)
8. No opinion here. I'd be interested to see how the states and municipalities with stricter divorce laws have been affected.
9. No response, as I'm agnostic and don't believe gay conduct is sinful as you describe. Nothing to argue about here, really.
Larry, if you want to engage my arguments, I'm afraid that you'll have to do more that simply dismiss them one by one.
Nice try, though.
The basic point remains. Marriage is something. That something pre-dates both church and state. Neither church nor state has the authority to re-define what it is.
All the arguments in favor of gay "marriage" continue to boil down to "I want it", combined with name-calling.
I just wanted to say that this is a very interesting subject. I'm writing a term paper for my english class and I'm trying to show both the negative and the positve aspects to gay marriage. Your blog has helped me show some really good points.
Thanks
-Matt
Glad to help, Matt! Feel free to email if I can answer any questions.
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